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Article Published Date: 12/19/2007

 

Article by R. Ted Jeo with R. Simms
 

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This article contains information on modifications of reloading ammunition that requires some reloading experience. This technique works for our weapons and reloads. As we have no control over others shooting needs, techniques or materials, we cannot assume any responsibility if you decide to use the technique on loads and/or pistols of your own. As always, reloading ammunition is a serious undertaking and needs to be carefully examined at each step to make sure all safety precautions and inspections are adhered to.
 

We’ve all seen the Indiana Jones movies.  Ever since seeing Indy take out the sword wielding attacker in the Cairo marketplace with his big break action, I’ve been hankering to get that type of pistol.  That pistol was a S&W Hand Eject Model 2.  In the later film with Sean Connery, Indy uses a Webley VI revolver.1  In this day and age of 15+ round pistol mags and high speed reloads, the thought of having to flip open a pistol for a reload has some weird appeal.

So I started my search.  First, it was for a Webley type pistol, in the .455 caliber.  To tell you the truth, when I saw the price tags, I went into sticker shock.  So I had to do a bit more research.  I had seen a smaller type pistol that looked nearly the same as the big Webley’s, that is it had the slab sided barrels and the thick heavy looking grips. After a few go arounds at some gun shows I figured that I should look for an Enfield instead, specifically the Enfield No. 2 type pistol. After about half a year of doing some searching at shows I finally found an Enfield No. 2 one that was in good shape and at a decent price.

Figure 1

Top, a .38 Webley IV, bottom, a .38 Enfield No. 2 MkI**

 

A bit of background on this Webley “cousin”

After the Great War, England decided that the .455 Webley Mark VI was just too bulky and heavy and started to look into a smaller .38 caliber revolver.  A first sample was submitted in 1921 to the War Office by Webley and Scott that was a .38 caliber version of the Webley pistol.  Subsequent testing between 1921 and 1932 lead to changes in grip shape, cartridge size and power, and barrel length.  Finally in 1931, the No. 2 Mark I was approved.  Interestingly, Webley and Scott “lost out” on the manufacturing of the approved pistol and instead the state run Enfield factory made them.

Figure 2

Break open with the extractor extended.

Caliber:  .38/200 (.38 Smith and Wesson) .38 caliber, 200 grain (Mk I) or ~176 grain (Mk II)  bullet

Capacity:  6 shots

Weight:  1 lb. 12 oz.

Barrel length:  5 inches

Rifling: 1:15 7 grooves right hand (Mk 1), (.360” to .364” bore diameter, see note below)

Figure 3

Enfield No.2 pistol with a correct canvas holster.

 

There are three basic common models of the Enfield No. 2:

 

Enfield No. 2 Mark 1 -  Single/Double action, approved in 1931.  Traditional styled wood grips.  Many, if not most, were converted to I* models some time in their service careers as so called FTR (Factory Thorough Repair) actions.

Enfield No. 2 Mark 1* - DA only, missing the hammer spur with a “lighter trigger spring” (reduced from 13-15 lbs to 11-13 lbs) brought about by a request by the Tank Corps to minimize catching on items in the confines of a vehicle.  First made in 1936 and approved in 1938.  Grips have a better thumb hold compared to the unmodified models.  A recess in the grip was used for a unit marking disc was also added to the bakelite grip (discontinued in 1941).  Declared obsolete in 1948 but continued to be used into the 1960’s by police and overseas forces.

Enfield No. 2 Mark 1** - DA only as the Mark 1*.  Descriptions of this model are nearly the same as the Mark 1* with the addition of the removal of the safety stop details in the frame, hammer and trigger.

The Enfield Royal Ordnance Factory England was the main manufacturing and refit location of the No. 2 pistols.   Mark 1* and I** models were also manufactured by Albion Motors in Scotland (1941-43) as well as Howard Auto Cultivators (1941-44) in Australia, although apparently records only show about 350 pistols being made by HAC. 

 

Markings on Enfield No 2. Pistols

As is usually seen on British Empire firearms, there is a WEALTH of markings to be seen on these pistols. There are way too many to address each and every one in this article.  I would recommend you procure a copy of Stamps & Skennerton’s book “.380 Enfield No. 2 Revolver”.  There are several markings alone that belong to Enfield (the most prolific maker of the pistol), early ones are more ornate than later ones.  But we’ll take a look at some of the common markings that you may see that will explain some things.

Figure 4

What’s with the “wings” just in front of the cylinder?  They’re holster guides!

On the barrel, one will see the markings  .38 - .767”  Interestingly, this took some thought on my part, but what this means is the caliber (.38) and the LENGTH of the round (.767”).  Also, you may see the “3 ½ tons” mark.  This refers to Birmingham Nitro Proof testing.  On the barrel rib, you may find a two digit year (like “42”) which denotes the year of acceptance for the pistol.

Figure 5

Markings on the frame correspond to proof marks and caliber and cartridge size.

 

The Enfield No. 2 ammo

The English went through several modifications of ammunition for the Enfield No. 2 pistol.  The first .380-in MkI cartridge consisted of a 200gr lead beeswax coated bullet on top of a 3.7gr cordite charge.  Some sources gave the revolver using the MkI round a muzzle velocity of 600 ft/sec and 190 ft lbs 1  of energy.  The Mk1z cartridge was the same except the powder charge was made of nitrocellulose powder.  The British Tank Corp had noted that the 200 grain RN Mk I lead bullet may be considered a “dum dum” bullet and could lead to issues, which led to the development and adoption in 1938 of the Mk II 178gr jacketed bullet.

Something that I may not have completely set straight is that this pistol does NOT use .38 Special ammo, which is NOT the same as .38 Smith and Wesson (.38 S&W also known as 38 Colt New Police) 2.38 Special ammo is too long to be used, measuring 1.155” compared to only 0.780” for the .38 S&W.  Also, the .38 Special has a bullet diameter measured at 0.357” as compared to 0.360” of the .38 S&W.  This we saw on the barrel markings as noted above.  The issue of the different diameters of bullets could lead to difficulties in procuring the correct ammo or making reloads that will work properly, however, as we’ll see, it is not as tough as I first thought.

Figure 6

Left to right.  Winchester .38S&W RN, Speer HBWC in cut down .38 Spec, Hornady RN in Starline brass and a .38 Special DEWC for size comparison.

 

A note about bore sizes…(from R. Simms)

Confused? The source of confusion is the difference between how we in the U.S. and how the British measure bullet diameters. We use groove diameter, which is the larger of the two diameters (groove diameter vs. land diameter) in the barrel as our caliber identifier. The difference between most land and groove diameters is usually .008". So, in the U.S. we identify our .30 rifles as a .308 caliber because that's the barrel's groove diameter. The land diameter is .300", so there's your .008" difference. The British do the opposite. SMLE's, which they identify as .303 caliber, actually use .311" or .312" bullets because they go by the land diameter as their primary identifier. Still about a .008" difference. Thus, the .308 rifle in the U.S. actually uses a smaller bullet than the .303 British. You wouldn't think so by just looking at the caliber designations, but the measuring convention is completely different.

The pistol calibers work the same. In the U.S. we say the .38 S&W cartridge uses a .360" bullet because we are referencing the groove diameter of the barrel. The land diameter is about .008" less than this or .352" which is how the British denote it.

The British in general, and especially in wartime, were much more generous in their machining allowances and tolerances than we were here in the U.S. You will notice that a lot of reloading manuals suggest that you slug your bore on British guns to determine the actual bullet size needed. For .38/200 guns, the Brits aimed for a nominal land diameter of .352" and a nominal groove diameter of .360", but they permitted as much as .004" variance (.356" land, .364" groove) as an acceptable wartime deviation. Same with .303 British. You can find rifles with groove diameters of as much as .316", which is .004" over the .312” bullets that are commonly found.
 

.38 S&W ammo is actually still being made by Winchester as a 145gr LRN round.  Magtech also makes a similar loaded round, both are available from MidwayUSA.com.  Beware, though, the cost of this non-standard-not-so-common caliber is not cheap.  I paid more than $24 for one box of 50 rounds from a local gun shop.  Obviously, hand loading is another way to shoot this pistol. 

For reloading, you have two ways of dealing with .38 S&W brass, you can buy it (Starline makes it) or you can make it.  Oddly enough, you can make it out of cut down .38 Special brass.  Bullets are a harder thing to deal with.  Because there is a .003” diameter difference between standard .38 bullets and what the Enfield barrel is made to take, some “fudging” needs to be done.  Of course, you could either cast correctly sized .360” bullets or get one of the many commercial small scale casters to make them for you.  For this article, I opted to go with another idea, which was to see if .357” bullets could work.  The idea that I had seen was to use various easily available cast bullets, some of them with a hollow base, to see which would work the best.  The results were actually pretty good.

As I mentioned, one can buy some Starline brass, which I did.  Next, I took some .38 Special cases and cut them down to size.  I would not recommend using a standard case trimmer to remove the entire 0.375”.  Rather, I used a tubing cutter to remove something less than the amount, and then finished up the trim job using a RCBS trimmer. 3  Okay, I’ll admit right now, I would only recommend this cutting down of .38 Special brass to people who want to be REALLY frugal (i.e., CHEAP).  The amount of time required to rough trim, finish trim and chamfer the mouth is not worth it, not to mention the sore hands and fingers.  But, in the interest of presenting one more option, I did it. 

I chose three different commonly found .38 bullets.  These were Magtech, Hornady and Speer.  My initial load was 2.4 grains of Bullseye pistol powder which I adapted out of “Cartridges of the World, 11th Edition”.

Figure 7

Hornady 158 grain solid base round nose (SBRN), .358” diameter, OAL 1.140”

Speer 148 grain hollow based wad cutter (HBWC), .358” diameter, OAL 1.059”

Magtech 158 grain hollow based round nose (HBRN), .358” diameter, OAL 1.154”

 
Each of these bullets was loaded into the Starline .38 S&W cases as well as cut down .38 Special cases. The idea was to see if there were any appreciable differences in using the different cases. A set of Lee dies in .38 S&W were used to load all ammunition.
 

Range Time!

 
The first trip out to the range gave me a couple of insights. First off, I would have thought that a .38 S&W would be “slight” in recoil. I was surprised by the amount of recoil from the pistol! Of course it is simply a matter of mass. I found the original plastic grips to be quite uncomfortable. And the double action trigger was heavy at about 13 to 15 pounds. Secondly, I found out that I needed to crimp the bullets into the cases more. I noticed that as I fired, the bullets still in the cylinder crept out of their cases much that the cylinder refused to turn anymore. Back to the drawing board.

In between trips to the range, I was in contact with Bob Simms, pistol aficionado extreme, whom I had been conversing with over this and other pistols. His idea was to replace the original grips with a modern rubber style, like Pachmayr grips. Going through his “stash” he figured out that “I” frame small Pachmayr Presentation
Grips fit. Sure enough, they do fit quite well, perhaps not perfectly, but more than adequate enough if you want to upgrade the grips without changing the pistol appreciably or permanently. The one thing that you do have to decide on is whether you want to keep the lanyard ring. If you do, you’ll need to cut out a section at the bottom of the grip. If not, it is an easy thing to knock out the pin that holds the ring in place. Put it aside somewhere where you can find it….

Figure 8

You may have to trim a bit of the grip to make it fit better. You also have to decide whether to keep the lanyard ring or not.

So back to the reloading bench I went. I decided to cut down the beating the ol’ girl was taking and lower the Bullseye amount to 2 grains even. Then I gave it a bit more crimp by removing the plug on the bullet seating die, giving it about 1 ½ turn down and gave each round a bit more crimp to it. This time, the bullets did not back out at all, no issues with locking up the cylinder.

Figure 9

The sights on the Enfield are actually quite good.

 

Figure 10

Winchester .38 S&W factory ammo at 20 feet freehand.

 

Figure 11

Magtech HBRN in Starline brass, 20 feet freehand.

 

Figure 12

Magtech HBRN in Starline brass, 20 feet freehand.

 

Figure 13

Hornady SBRN in Starline brass, 20 feet freehand.

Shooting at about 20 feet, freehand, I found that indeed, the hollow based typed bullets performed well. The hollow based wad cutters seemed to out shoot the hollow based round nose bullets, if even by a bit. More likely, the wad cutters left nice round holes literally punched out of the paper, thus making a more presentable target. The Hornady solid based RN bullets did not fare as well, opening up to a sizable spread on the target. In looking at the .38 Special cut down cases vs. the Starline .38 S&W brass, I saw no difference. Now, mind you, these cases were only fired 3 times total (so far) the first time as .38 Special rounds, and then the subsequent 2 reloadings as .38 S&W. I suspect that there will be little problems to continue to reload these for at least a few more times with moderate loads. Using the hollow based bullets, you need enough “umph” to get the skirt of the bullet to expand enough to engage the rifling enough for accuracy. Not enough and you’ll just be slinging lead down range.

All in all, the Enfield is an interesting pistol to shoot. The ammo can be had (for a price), but if you reload, you can easily make your own ammo using common and available bullets. Interestingly enough, in a recent issue of Shotgun News, there was an article about Iraq that showed an Enfield pistol that was confiscated in near perfect condition. As the smaller cousin to the large framed (and more famous) Webley Mk VI, it is a “cheaper” alternative for shooting and collecting a break action frame revolver.
 

1 See the website: http://www.indygear.com/gear/guns.shtml 

2 ”Cartridges of the World, 11th Ed.” gives the following info about the .38 S&W: Designed in 1877 by S&W.  Many U.S. revolver makers made models for this caliber, well suited to pocket guns.  The British determined that their 380/200 (200 gr bullet) had about the same stopping power in combat as the .455 cartridge. 

3 See my article on reloading for the Type 99 for an example on how to use a tubing cutter at: http://surplusrifle.com/shooting2006/srtype99/index.asp

 

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